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Nov 15, 2006, 06:31 PM // 18:31
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Dec 2005
Profession: Mo/E
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Also note that the economy is kinda screwed now.
Instead of going down, prices of materials and runes are going UP. Also, people are still selling their uber 1337 weapons for 100K and 50 ectos. Make that even more cause it's now practically impossible to get a req 8 golden weapon with max damage. (Since there isn't a single monster in NF that only drops max stuff, and goldies only drop once in a year. Also, ppl got less gold t spend on keys, and chests now have an even bigger possability of dropping purple.) Note that the ecto prices are going up, rubies and sapphires as well, and Diamonds aren't even in the Material Trader yet cause every1 sells to real people foran unfair price. Only thing that's going down are the dyes, but I think alot of people have lost their faith in dyes, and want to wait for a good mix-chart before they're actually gonna screw up thier armor's colour. Well, I'm gonna be bored untill it's possible to farm again, or when ecto prices will be 100 gold each or something ¬_¬ |
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Nov 15, 2006, 07:01 PM // 19:01
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Dec 2005
Guild: Daunting Tempest
Profession: Mo/
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Do me a favor: type /age. Name me three games that give you as lengthy entertainment as GW does for the same price. I for one can't name any...
Seriously: it dazzles me how people can expect not to get bored eventually? Did you think that you were gonna play GW until the end of eternity? Were you expecting GW to magically solve all life's entertainment issues? GW is a great game and, imo, one of the best ever made but you cannot expect a game to stay interesting forever. As to the complains I see here: same old, same old. People were complaining the game had lost all 'end-game' when Flesh Gollems got nerfed. People were complaining the economy was messed up when runetraders got introduced. The end of GW was foretold the first time AoE got nerfed. Somehow GW has managed to stick around despite the so called lack of 'end-game' content, with a ruined economy and a community that's 'filled' with scammers, whiners, and bots. If you think farming is nerfed then think again, and open your eyes. If you think prices are too high then find a way around it and use those high prices to make good money. If you think FoW is impossible to gain nowadays then allow me to laugh. I've already managed to get 1/4th of what I need just by playing through NF once. If you think the AI is screwy then deal with it. If you're bored then play something else... Cause really, what is the purpose of a thread like this? Yes, to vent frustrations, and if that is the only purpose for this thread then just do yourself a favor and take a break. You'll return with a renewed love and perhaps the issues you have with the game will be fixed by then. And if you really care about making GW better then go make a thread called 'How to enrich the GW endgame content'. |
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Nov 15, 2006, 07:05 PM // 19:05
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Banned
Join Date: Oct 2006
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Damn. I'm not usually one who says stuff like "QFT" but Tortoise hit the nail on the head on everything.
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Nov 15, 2006, 07:47 PM // 19:47
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Dec 2005
Profession: Mo/E
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No I don't expect to play GW forever, but I'm bored of NF even though it's not even out a month yet...
From doing nightfall twice, I've got 5K in total - just enough to buy max armor for my dervish. FoW isn't impossible to get yet, until ecto prices get even higher - sure, the people who already have some gold can just market, but ppl with nothing won't get anything either - maybe a golden staff that reqs 13 Healing prayers and has effects for Spawning Magic, Earth magic and Fast Casting -_- |
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Nov 15, 2006, 07:53 PM // 19:53
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Banned
Join Date: Oct 2006
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Why are there a few people who keep saying the reason for being bored is because they can't get FOW armor? I had no idea it was a requirement for fun. I guess I've been fooling myself into thinking that I was having fun since I don't or ever will have FOW armor. Go figure.
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Nov 15, 2006, 08:01 PM // 20:01
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Belgium
Guild: PIMP
Profession: Mo/
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 Didn't test duo farming uw yet since the change so I can't comment on that at this point.I wasn't bored for over a year and a half until the latest changes. I deal with the Ai but it's not as fun as before. Last edited by Gun Pierson; Nov 15, 2006 at 10:40 PM // 22:40.. |
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Nov 15, 2006, 08:16 PM // 20:16
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Dec 2005
Profession: Mo/E
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No, but farming IS fun, and so are the things you can do after farming (like buying keys without being broke already, experimenting with items, dyes and other stuff, buying that rune/armor you always wanted) And the thrill of the hunt - the pleasure of getting a golden weapon unidentified - seeing materials stock up in your storage - it all gives a feeling of 'yeah I'm really doing great now'. Farming is just fun IMO, sure, farming can also be boring, but in that case you just try something new, experiment with old farm spots to make it faster/easier, or just try the big things (FoW/UW) |
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Nov 15, 2006, 08:46 PM // 20:46
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: On Earth
Profession: W/P
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I have played GW for 15 months now. I agree wholeheartedly that any game if given enough time will eventually get boring and GW is no exception. However, I find it odd that this boredom that I've suddenly developed in comparison to some others comes around the same time a large majority have finished NF. I was not in this state mind 1 week prior to NF's release. Is this a coincidence? Taking a break from the game isn't my idea of an answer to my boredom for the game. I could be gone 2 months and come back and still be bored because nothing has changed. Maybe things will change but I don't know that. It's also not whether I should take a break or not but why it ever came to this? Why has the game gotten to the point where I now have to take a break in order to come back and enjoy it the same way I once did? Since the current GW is nothing like the former GW that I had originally started out playing 15 months ago how will taking a break bring back the good times?
Now allow me to explain why I'm bored. The following are opinions of my own and I do not ask for anyone to agree with me but instead to understand where I come from. First and foremost is the new AI update which has caused quite a stir thus far. Basically what was done is Anet has neutered farming, chest running, and running services. Yes I know these things can still be done but to a lesser degree. To me this was a form of FUN. It was a good means of making money to buy things that I wanted (not needed) in game. I KNOW TO DON'T NEED TO FARM/GRIND FOR UBER RARE ITEMS TO BE COMPETITIVE. Having FoW armor doesn't mean I had or didn't have fun but it was a reward for the fun I did have while farming. HEY I'M HAVING FUN THE WAY I THINK IS FUN FOR ME AND I GET REWARDED FOR IT! WOOT! Again, I know I don't need to grind for vanity items to compete that has been mentioned far too many times. Funny thing is competition is something that never really occured to me anyways. I never played the PvE aspect of the game and farmed as a means of competition. I mean who am I competing against? Why would someone use the, "Don't need uber items to compete" for an argument in PvE? I farmed because it was a source of income. It gave me a goal to achieve and something to do after I finish the game. Farming was an OPTION or another form of entertainment for some of us. Some of you haven't reached this state of boredom because we as individuals all have different goals. Some of which take more time or a take different routes to achieve this goal. I have played GW for 15 months now and the goals I set for myself have been completed. What kept me playing for 15 months was farming. Whether it be SOLO, DUO, OR TEAMS it didn't matter. Farming was fun for me and for alot of people. It was a good way to meet friends as well. This AI update didn't ruin solo farming, it ruined farming altogether. I remember it was fun to form groups into Sorrow's Furnace, UW, FoW, green farming etc.. But now farming takes longer, the mobs are smaller now do to the whole scatter effect. The fun was lost somewhere. I didn't farm 24/7. I did alot of questing, helping new players, playing with friends and what not. Farming was just another option available to players who wanted to do it because it was fun for them. Anet has taken some of this away without an alternative. Farming can still be done mind you but it takes alot longer. I don't see how this would benefit casual players trying to achieve a goal. Where as hardcore players will remain hardcore whether it takes long or not to farm simply because they have the time for it unless borebom gets to them first. The original argument about farming was that the economy was screwed and prices were too high for new players to gain access to goods that people who spend the time could obtain. How does nerfing farming to lower prices help? Ok so the new players now have access to uber items at a cheaper cost. Unfortunately there will always be vanity items that reward people for their time and these "new" players won't be new forever and will eventually graduate to "veteran" status. Some of these people will want these vanity items because it's a goal they set for themselves. But since we ranted about making items cheaper thus nerfing farming these "graduated veterans" who are no longer new players need to now "grind" to achieve what we older players could have done in half the time prior to this update. Now more then ever it takes us longer to level and to gain money. This is not about competing here. (PvE) This is about enjoying the game in the many options that was once available that no longer is. Grinding has increased. It takes longer to kill things now since monsters are running away from their attackers. Thus leveling each of your characters has now become a grind. Gaining skill points to be to able to unlock skills for you characters is now more a grind then before. Gaining money has also become a grind. Farmers were a very large part of the community. Some are just more hardcore then others. It's really hard to dismiss that fact. Deldrimor Warcamp, ToA, Augury, Elona Reach, Senji's Corner, Maatu Keep... I can basically sit here and list every single outpost and town that had anything to do with farming for anything. This list would be huge and would pretty much account for every location. That's how big farming was. We even have a section in this very forum just for farming builds. If you look at the replies and views of each thread you'll notice how farming played a major role in the game. By neutering farming you've just crippled a large part of the player base. I don't speak for everyone because I KNOW NOT EVERYONE THINKS THIS WAY but why take that option away from the people that do? You hand new players everything on a silver platter with the argument that they should be able to obtain perfect items. Anet gave them green items that should've been enough. Why cripple farming and the replayability for the rest of us? Some of you people make it sound so easy to just adapt to these situations. "Go PvP if you're bored" Sure no problem I can go PvP because at least that option is still available to me unlike some of the options that Anet has seemingly taken away although it won't change my current state of boredom. I had alot more to say but in the midst of all this typing I forgot some. But nonetheless it matters not whether anyone agrees with me or not since these are afterall my opinions and expressions of how the current state of the game is. Peace! Last edited by byteme!; Nov 15, 2006 at 11:23 PM // 23:23.. |
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Nov 15, 2006, 08:53 PM // 20:53
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: U.S.
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Account: 18 months - 465 hours 52 min 1st Prophecies Character ($50) 183 hours 56 min 1st Factions Character ($50) 76 hours 12 min Nightfall character before I said 'screw it for now I am bored of the sameness' Favorite character ($50) 18 hours 51 min The Games ! ----------- Warcraft 3 - Still play Starcraft - Still play Age of Mythology - Still Play Mercenaries - Like crack to me Splinter Cell Chaos Theory - One of my favs Quote:
On the hero note, they are nice when you can't wait around all day looking for a group or dealing with people that think you can aggro 3 groups simultaneously and everything will be fine. We need better grouping options, and people leave their ideas on the forums all the time. Can't we discuss (positives and negatives alike) without leading to rants and flames? |
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Nov 15, 2006, 09:02 PM // 21:02
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: On Earth
Profession: W/P
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Nov 15, 2006, 09:05 PM // 21:05
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: TX
Guild: Elite Crew
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Everyone seems to think that making everything affordable for everyone is a great thing, but I think that is one of the major problems that this update has caused. Before, if you couldn't afford it, you had to go find it. Now you can just buy whatever you want. The fun there ends in about five seconds. I used to love seeing a rare in the high end section and deciding I wanted to go find one myself. That excitement just doesn't exist any longer. Making it easier for everyone to get everything makes for a much shorter lifespan for a game.
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Nov 15, 2006, 09:13 PM // 21:13
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: On Earth
Profession: W/P
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Nov 15, 2006, 10:16 PM // 22:16
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Crimson King
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Resplendent Makuun
Guild: Song of the Forsaken
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*Post Edit* This is kinda long.
 The reason for threads like this is to discuss, as stated before. It's well known that ANet looks in these forums from time to time to try and get a sense of what the players want. I post in the hopes that maybe they will take my point of view into consideration, and because I feel better that there are others that I can empathize with. Basically, my logic is...I used to be able to make gold quickly and efficiently through legitly playing the game. I didn't buy or sell gold on eBay. I didn't try to rip other players off and always sold whatever rare items I had found for a very fair price, since I didn't need that much gold, I just liked to be able to buy what I wanted when I felt like it, much like anybody else. I hear the arguments "Well I have 1.5k max armor and I'm happy, why would you want anything else? You don't NEED 15k armor." Well, obviously I don't need it. My first play through, I thought I would never buy a set of 15k armor, it was just so stupid to me. But as I branched out into other characters, as I got more into the game, I came to realize that this game starts when you beat the game (or at least hit level 20). So, I started to run out of things to do with my money (little as I had) and wondered, "Is this why people spend so much?" The answer is yes. Any serious PvPer (actually, anyone with common sense) will tell you that you don't need a req. 8 Oni Blade with perfect mods to compete. But you know what's nice? Having that shiny armor with a crazy-sweet looking axe/sword/whatever at your side, kicking ass and taking names while looking good. For some people, that armor is collector armor, or Drok's, while for some it's 15k or Fissure armor. Some people like collector weapon skins, some like the Crystalline Swords. Now, ANet does a lot to provide for new players, and that's wonderful, couldn't be happier for the newbies. But when it causes people like me to get bored of this game in what seems to me like too short of a time, I don't agree with their line of thinking. I stopped playing Guild Wars about 2 months before Factions was released, because I didn't have a guild and was bored. When I returned, I talked to a friend I knew and he told me how to farm Trolls outside Drok's. I proceeded to spend the rest of my summer doing that and other forms of farming, since the gold intake was unparalleled for me at that time. I had previously gone through Prophecies the quintessential newbie, pretty much ignorant to anything but myself. I had usually about 15-25k at all times, maybe less if I bought armor on those rare occasions. But now after a few days, I had 100k. That was crazy! I started to look for other ways to farm, joined a casual guild, and would farm Rotscale, Fissure, Underworld, etc, etc. Usually with guildies. At my peak I reached 500k in raw gold with probably another million in materials and even more converted value in the inventories of my characters and the 15k armor sets I had bought. Yeah, turned out I thought they looked really nice and actually wanted them now. My point, through all this rant and ramble, is that in the end it's diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks. Some people PvP, some people GvG, some people are just starting the game, some people farm, some people use GW as a big chat room. I personally think that the game should provide plenty of chances for each of these people and many other types to have fun. I think the fact that I could farm for such a period of time without it losing it's appeal, versus the slowly spreading boredom I feel with the game now, is testament to how ANet has denied me an output. |
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Nov 16, 2006, 12:20 AM // 00:20
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: around the corner and up the block
Guild: Hero
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im completely bored with PvE...HA is getting kinda fun since i can get into actual groups...
Farming isnt too much of a problem for me, i use the A/E Sliver armor build now and it still works fine. And im going back to counterstrike source now too. Blowing people's heads off with an AWP is kinda fun |
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Nov 16, 2006, 01:13 AM // 01:13
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Singapore
Guild: Ordo Chaotika
Profession: W/Mo
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1,128 hours and 27 minutes over the past 5 months (all characters). Before GW I've played: - Starcraft + expansion for approx. 4 years. - Diablo II + expansion for approx. 4 years. - Warcraft III + expansion (including DotA) for approx. 3 years. - Need for Speed Underground & 2 for approx. 1 year. - Dawn of War + expansions for approx. 6 months and still on from time to time. Looks like GW's really losing out. But then again, that's not really the point isn't it? Quote:
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Nov 16, 2006, 01:34 AM // 01:34
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#356 |
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Minion Bombing in Elona
Guild: The Drunken Dragons [DRNK]
Profession: Rt/N
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First off I think Nightfall is great. Love it. But! I miss playing with "REAL" people. Before I used to gripe about having to stand around for long periods of time trying to find a group that would accept my builds. I thought heros would be the answer to this. Now that i've played nightfall it feels almost like a single player game to me.
I know it's still possible to find a group. It's just the chances of doing that seem so much smaller now that heros are among us. I don't care if the group is good or bad. If the people are nice and sometimes funny it makes playing in a group much more fun for me regardless if we win the mission. I guess that is the only thing that is burning me out. I still play and enjoy the rest of the game though. Last edited by Phantom Gun; Nov 16, 2006 at 01:37 AM // 01:37.. |
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Nov 16, 2006, 01:56 AM // 01:56
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Sep 2006
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Increasing the number of rare drops, or valuable items in missions might help things. Usually when people team up it's to go farming, and people like seeing all of the nice drops even if it's for other people. How often have you heard when farming in SF:
"No henchies" "No way are those noob henchies stealing my greens and golds!!' "Henchies affect the drop rate!!" And people who have done it before will have a reason to come back to redo missions. |
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Nov 16, 2006, 01:58 AM // 01:58
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jun 2006
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I have to know this..please someone extremely knowledgable about this game tell me why people think its fun to replay the same campain over and over again with 10 different characters? I must find the answer to this, before I continue with the countless other "bored player" issues this game creates.
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Nov 16, 2006, 02:02 AM // 02:02
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Banned
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: In the woods
Guild: Elite Crew
Profession: W/E
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so my conclusion is that they just love to debate.. they are master debaters.... |
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Nov 16, 2006, 02:03 AM // 02:03
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Cali
Guild: Mending For The [win]
Profession: W/A
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if you need a tip on making money (since you are complaining about how much money you made): -use ID kits on every item you get, except for collectables, or salvageable armors. the increased value of id'ed items outweighs the 100g cost of the actual ID kit. |
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